She took him to church.

It may be Saturday, but that didn’t stop MSNBC host Joy Reid from taking Pastor Mark Burns to church.

The fiery exchange took place during a segment on Reid’s morning show, “AM Joy,” after Burns, a vocal Donald Trump supporter, tried to defend Trump’s recent comments calling Haiti and African nations “shithole countries.”

Burns started out by disputing the accuracy of the “shithole” comments and claimed to know that Trump never made such remarks. Reid followed up by pointing to statements from senators like Dick Durbin and Lindsey Graham — who were present during the meeting on immigration and confirmed what Trump said — and asked Burns if he was in the room.

Burns conceded that he was not present and that Trump may have made the vulgar comments, but went on to criticize people for focusing too much on Trump’s words instead of his deeds. He then invoked the Bible and talked about loving thy neighbor by sending aid to other nations — at which point Reid interjected with some scripture of her own.

“I’m a church girl,” Reid said. “I used to teach Sunday school … I love a bible verse myself.”

“Isaiah 10:2, in the Bible, says ‘Woe to he who enacts evil statutes and who constantly records unjust decisions so to deprive the needy of justice so that widows may be their spoil and they may plunder orphans,'” Reid said.

She continued, discussing the Bible verse cited by Burns, and noted, “You talked about Haiti specifically not caring for its own people. A government that is corrupt.”

“How can you justify sending people back to such a country, if the country is so broken?” she asked him. “How can you as a man of God justify sending people back to such a country?”

REID: Can I get a word in edgewise?

BURNS: It is your show.

REID: You quoted — I want to unpack a few things you said — 1 Timothy 5:8, and that verse refers to a man who would not take care of his own family and immediate family.

BURNS: Sure.

REID: I’m a church girl. I used to teach Sunday school in Denver, Colorado. I love a Bible verse myself. Hold on.

BURNS: Good. Talk more about Jesus on your show.

REID: I will quote the word of the Lord. Isaiah 10:2, in the Bible, says woe to he who enacts evil statutes and who constantly records unjust decisions so to deprive the needy of justice so that widows may be their spoil and they may plunder orphans. The Bible verse you talked about is talking about caring for one’s own family and immediate family. This Bible verse that is repeated much more in the Bible talks about caring for the least of these widows and orphans. You talked about Haiti specifically not caring for its own people. A government that is corrupt. How can you justify sending people back to such a country, if the country is so broken? How can you as a man of God justify sending people back to such a country?

Burns is among the only people defending Trump’s remarks, which have drawn condemnation from around the world. On Friday, the African Union — an organization that represents the entire continent of Africa — demanded a retraction of the racist comments.

At least three members of the White House’s informal board of evangelical advisers have distanced themselves from Trump’s comments amid the flurry of criticism. This marks one of the first times his religious advisers have publicly broken with him.

“In the past, when Trump’s critics have pressed board members to repudiate language of the president that was widely deemed offensive, the advisers have demurred, arguing that it’s not their role to publicly chastise the president,” Religion News Service reported. But his latest comments “left at least some of these advisers uncomfortable enough to counter with their own words on the topic.”

Burns would be wise to join them.


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